The raptured chirch

I had to get my mind off politics so I here is my response to a ln interview I watched. I seen this on TikTok and the girl that posted the video was confused and asking if John Rich was right. So my response here has got my mind off politics for a moment or two. 
 
  You may have seen Tucker Carlson's interview with John Rich teaching his view or study of the end times as post millennium theology. This view has the church going through the tribulation or Jacobs Troubles. This is my study as to why he is wrong as to the church going through the times of the tribulation. Be careful getting theology from a song. 
   The word rapture is not in the Bible. The etymology of rapture from Etymonline.com: [c. 1600, "act of carrying off" as prey or plunder, from rapt + -ure, or else from French rapture, from Medieval Latin raptura "seizure, rape, kidnapping," from Latin raptus "a carrying off, abduction, snatching away; rape" (see rapt). The earliest attested use in English is with women as objects and in 17c. it sometimes meant rape (v.), which is a close relation to this one. ]  
  When you see or hear of the word rapture think caught. The biblical phrase is "caught up" which is past tense so raptured. 1 Thes. 4:17":then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so we shall we be forever with the Lord " Let me try an analogy. When a baseball flies through the air and a fielder catches it, the ball has been seized. It has been caught. The Bible word for rapture is "caught".
    God catches the church out to meet him in the clouds. The teams baseball managerial staff, the Laodecian church, gets pulled from the game because they dropped the ball. 
   I don't understand all this. Is this the 7th, 8,th, 9th inning? I don't know, but I am sure the Laodecian line up changes because the church fails and Christ catches his bride from the earth. There are examples of this in scriptures and there are still innings left in the ballgame before it is finished. Only then will Jesus Christ say Amen. Rev. 22:21 
  1 Thes. 4:13-17 is describing what many, as well as John Rich say Scofield (1900's) misapplied Darby's 1830's interpretation of scriptures and coined the word rapture and established wrong end time study. As you see from etymology, the word is much older than the 1800's and it literally means to snatch away. It is very similar to caught away.  
  But what do scriptures say. 1 Thes 4:13-17 and 1 Cor. 15: 52-54 are parallel passages describing what is referred to as the rapture of the church in the end times.  
    1 Cor. 15 is important because this chapter is the revelation of the gospel that is given to Paul vs.1. The gospel of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and how it applies to the believer during the church age. There is a hint to Gal 2:20 in vs 31 when Paul says "I die daily. Here is the crucified life of a believer. 1 Cor 15: 35-49 is the good news of a resurrected body where in the end we are caught up into the clouds to meet (vs 52) in a twinkling of an eye ... a trump shall sound ... dead shall rise ... we shall be changed ( that resurrected new body).  
   1Th4:15 we which are alive and remain unto (until) the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (to go before, precede) them which are asleep. 16 The Lord shall descend from heaven with a shout (a trump shall sound), with a voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall arise first: 17  then we which are alive and remain shall be caught (seized, carry off, by force) up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:..." Christ has not reached the earth for he is descending in vs 16. If we meet Him as he is descending then he has not reached earth yet. Once His feet touches the ground for the second time "the kingdom of heaven" will be at hand again Matt. 3:2, 4:17, 10:7. It is this timing that everyone confuses. 
  The "kingdom of heaven" is where John Rich is wrong. He is not rightly dividing Scriptures. Christ calls his bride, the church (1 Cor. 11:2, Eph. 5: 22-25,32) out of the earth. 
   Give me a little liberty here. One that "which is alive" maybe walking, praying, sitting or sleeping at that time and in that moment Jesus Christ is descending and catches them off the earth and into the the clouds. 
  John was taken to heaven to be shown things to be in latter days. Was he alive? Yes. Was he walking? I say yes, in that he was repeatedly taking steps to know Christ better. In return Christ revealed some things to John that were a mystery beforehand. 
   These are written in the book "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" Rev. 1:1. Jesus described to John the mystery of the 7 churches (1:20) in chapters 2-3. The last mentioning of these earthly churches is 3:22. The next verse 4:1 A door was opened in heaven and a "a voice heard I heard was as (similar.. 1 Cor. 15:52) a trumpet talking with me; which said, come up hither". 
  John was alive, and in a twinkling, in a moment he was with God. Comparing scriptures 1 Cor.  15:51-58, 1 Thes. 4:13-18, Rev. 4:1 this is the calling out of the church. 4:8 has the seven stars Rev. 1:20 the seven stars are the seven churches. The following verses in chapter 4 are describing the beginning of Jacobs troubles. 
  Was Paul speaking of John when he said "I knew a man that was "caught up to the third heaven". "Caught up" 2 Cor. 12:2&4, 1 Thes. 4:17 and Rev 12:5. Caught by definition is the pret. and pp of catch: to seize. And seize is synonym of rapture. The first use of caught is Gen. 22:13 "behind him a ram caught in a thicket". Go read those verses in context to see how the author used that phrase. Is it used in the same context in each time?
  Rabbit trail: if your book is missing a word do you have the right contract? While you are in Genesis 22 look at verse 7 & 8. Isaac asks in 7 "but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? Vs 8 And Abraham said, God will PROVIDE HIMSELF a lamb for a burnt offering:..." . Does your scripture have an extra word? Does adding "a", "the", "for" change the prophecy of Jesus Christ sacrificing himself for Isaac being born in "Adams ... own likeness, after his (Adam's) image" Gen. 5:3? 1 Cor.15:22
  While in Gen. 5 let's look at a few things. Vs 1 "This is the book of the Generations of Adam". Highlight the phrase "and he died " in verses 5, 8, 11, 14, 17, 20, 27, 31 and maybe highlight the verse numbers. Do you notice a skip in the pattern? Vs 23 The wording is the same as the other verses: 11, 14, 17, 20, 27, 31 "And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty five years: ( without the phrase "and he died."). vs 24 "And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him." 
   Took Preticate of take. Take 1. In a general sense, to get hold or gain possession of a thing in almost any manner, either by receiving it when offered, or by using exertion to obtain it. Not sure what a preticate is open up a dictionary or grammar book. I do all the time.
   [Etymology took-past tense and obsolete or vulgar past-participle of take (v.), from late Old English toc, past tense of tacan.
 
Entries linking to took take (v.) Middle English taken, from late Old English tacan "to grip, seize by force, lay hold of," ]
   Here is another synonym of caught again. 
 
   Enoch is a picture of the church beIng caught up? The definitions of the wording are similar. And again vs 25 picks back up the 3 verse repetition; someone lives, they begat and then "they died". Adam's genealogy stops with Noah but not with the phrase "and he died" in Gen 5:32.  
  Skip to Gen.9:29 we have Noah's death repeating the same wording as in Adams generations in chapter 5: "And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died." We won't see that phrase "and he died" again until Numbers 15:36 and it has nothing to do with someone dying in the generation of a father. 
  Noah's genealogy picks back up in chapter 6 vs 9. And doesn't end until 9:29. What is happening between vs. 6:1-9 and chapters 6-9? God evaluated the whole earth, placed judgment, but one man found grace from God's judgment and his family was blessed. I hope that sounds familiar. God chose a family to face and go through a storm. And God provided their escape. 
  Gen. 9:29 "And he (Noah) died" with the same wording as Gen 5. Signifying Naoh's sons were also in Adam's image. Noah's generation of children are listed in Chapter 10 but they do not have the phrase and he died. Why? What changed? Did you notice the wording in 6:9.  
  God gave us an example with Enoch as to what will happen to the church prior to destruction and He also gave an example of a family, a nation, who goes through a storm. Gen. 12:1-2. Am I far fetched? 
   Jesus told us to look to "the days of Noe". Matt. 24:37 & Luk 17:26. The church has a fellowship with God through the Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Cor. 1:9 The church is suppose to walk with Christ in fellowship. And this "fellowship of the mystery" (Eph. 3:3-9) and what has been hid until Christ revealed them to Paul's in 1 Cor 15. 
  Just as God has given us clues on how the church will be "taken" by Jesus Christ through His example with Enoch. Prior to a storm Enoch "was" and then he was not for God took him revealing an example of what will happen with his elect through Noah. God told Noah to build something and he did. He put his faith in his work and God rewarded him safety through the storm inside the ark. We are even told who shut the door to the ark. 
   Jesus Christ said every "jot and tiddle" would be fulfilled Matt 5:18. Could that "jot or tittle" be an english punctuation mark? Could the colon in Gen 5:24 be the time-stamping of Jesus Christ saying "Come hither". Rev 4:1 There are other prophetic scripture timestamped by or hidden in a punctuation mark. 
  Enoch is a picture of the church that God caught up to be with him in the clouds. Noah is a picture of the Jewish nation a who will be left behind to go through a storm, a time of Jacobs troubles.
  I don't study end times. So feel free to critique me and correct me. I was willing to say someone was wrong and used scriptures to show my reasoning why they are wrong. Do the same, please. Use scripture to show your reasoning .Pro.27:17
  Notice I did not look up a concordance to find a Hebrew or Greek definition. I used a concordance to find how the Author used a particular word is His writings. I didn't use multiple book versions to find an understanding. I opened an english dictionary to define an english word. I opened my english grammar book to study the sentence structuring. Aka I studied what I speak, the english language. We have all we need to discern God's truth through the Holy Ghost. If the Holy Ghost helped pen scriptures I am sure He can help interpret it. 2 Pet. 1: 20 & 21.
  Tyndale's prayer request was that a common plowboy would know more scripture than the Pope. Don't let a modern day Pope, or some egghead want-a-be scholar, convince you either you need his priesthood of an unknown language to interrupt what scriptures say or your not smart enough to understand scriptures.
  First we need to believe we have God's words. Then we just need time studying accompanied with prayer and then more prayer and time studying and then more prayer and more time studying the correct employee handbook. 
  2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (Isa. 28:13) line upon line, precept upon precept here a little there a little.
  And once again please critique me. 
   
  
Posted in Prepper on July 25 2024 at 10:46 PM
Comments (8)
I love a good study like this.
There are 4 popular views of revelations. 1. Before 2. During 3 After
4. Allegorical

There are scripture to support all 4.
There are scriptures to tear down all 4

I can’t say God told me one way or the other so for me, we just have a good discussion about them and see where it leads. Perhaps God will reveal it to us?

I like verses that leave it in the now like tomorrow will take care of itself.
What we do today is the most important.

Mathew 6:34 Take therefore...  more
Good post. In my recent studies, over the last couple years, studying Revelation it appears that the church is raptured, gone or definitely not mentioned after chapter 3. This leads me more toward pre tribulation. That said we won't completely know until Jesus comes through the clouds from the east and the Holy Ghost, inside of those that have received, will quicken our mortal bodies and catch us up in a twinkling of an eye!
Rev 1-3; Rim 8:9,11
Lord Bless You Brother!! 😀🙏♥️
Thank you brother.
I just read the original post, "The Raptured Church" what a good read!!! Definitely a lot of deep studying and hard work went into that!!! ❤️
If I were to regard end times in a historical fashion, I would have to go with POST tribulation.
1. If the plagues in Egypt were a foreshadowing, then we would see that the Israelites did not leave until after the last plague.
2. The future plagues are poured out without mercy so it leads me to believe all life on earth will be over at the end of these. So, IF anyone is going to be alive and remain at His coming, we (Christian Remnant) will have to be here through the end.
The only problem there is that God was fulfilling the prophecy that was made to Abraham concerning his seed (Gen. 15:16). Jacob, aka Israel and the 12 sons escaped the famine in the land through Joseph. Joseph is a picture of Jesus Christ, sold for silver, hated by his brothers, ultimately becoming the Kings right hand. Where is the church seen in that picture? Egypt is a picture of the world.
There were some Egyptians who tagged along but I don't think they got an inheritance in the land...  more
I haven't forgotten our conversation. Trying to write my study of 1st Thessalonians and Acts 17 out.
I am sure Paul wrote this to the church he established in Acts 17. I am not sure when he wrote it. Did he write while is was in Bera or in Athens after the Jews of Thessalonica ran him out of Bera? It seems it may be plausible that Paul wrote it in Athens after seeing how he was rushed to escape. What if as he was escaping he told Timothy to return to Thessalonica and check on them? Paul did ...  more
1Th 4:15 KJV For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
This sentence is in present tense , "we which are alive and remain". Paul is speaking in present tense so he believes in a pre-tribulation calling out.
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